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	<title>Comments on: Libertas in The LA Times + Moore&#8217;s Shoddy Legacy in Documentary Film</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Apuzzo</title>
		<link>http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/libertas-in-the-la-times-moores-shoddy-legacy-in-documentary-film/comment-page-1/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Apuzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that would be great - wouldn&#039;t it?  Snooki handing out Best Documentary Short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that would be great &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t it?  Snooki handing out Best Documentary Short.</p>
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		<title>By: lazypadawan</title>
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		<dc:creator>lazypadawan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are people who find Moore&#039;s films entertaining but my biggest issue with him is that he flat out lies in his movies.  It&#039;s like rewarding a plagiarist you know is a plagiarist with an A because you still found his paper entertaining.  

The Oscars have been an embarrassment over the past couple of decades and putting a hack like Michael Moore on the board of governors is par for the course.  I fully expect Snooki and JWoww to present Oscars at next year&#039;s ceremony and for the stars to out do this year&#039;s MTV Movie Awards f-bomb count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are people who find Moore&#8217;s films entertaining but my biggest issue with him is that he flat out lies in his movies.  It&#8217;s like rewarding a plagiarist you know is a plagiarist with an A because you still found his paper entertaining.  </p>
<p>The Oscars have been an embarrassment over the past couple of decades and putting a hack like Michael Moore on the board of governors is par for the course.  I fully expect Snooki and JWoww to present Oscars at next year&#8217;s ceremony and for the stars to out do this year&#8217;s MTV Movie Awards f-bomb count.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Apuzzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Apuzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shinsnake, thank you for commenting, as always.  But I deny him &lt;em&gt;any talent whatsoever&lt;/em&gt;.  The man is a hack who is propped up by the system due to his politics.  End of story.  I give him no credit at all, because I&#039;m familiar with what great documentary filmmaking is, which - may I be frank? - 99% of the on-line &#039;conservatives&#039; opining on this matter seem to have no knowledge of, whatsoever.  Mr. Moore is purely and simply a product of our narcissistic celebrity culture, and has cleverly used the format of the documentary to propel his own career.  He&#039;s not actually all that different from Kim Kardashian, frankly, except that instead of making a spectacle out of his body (thankfully) he makes a spectacle out of his radical politics.

If you&#039;re interested in this subject, I recommend that aside from the documentaries I mention in the post above, you investigate the work of someone like Claude Jutra - or maybe even Arthur Lipsett or Jordan Belson.  What you&#039;ll be exposed to in the work of these filmmakers is the genuine artistry that the documentary form can take when pushed to its limits. These guys had a huge influence on young Hollywood filmmakers coming up in the 1960s and 1970s.  You could even go way back and watch something like Frank Capra&#039;s &quot;Why We Fight&quot; series, which isn&#039;t about &lt;em&gt;Capra himself&lt;/em&gt; - the way Moore would&#039;ve done it.

Beyond all this, though, it puzzles me that certain conservative film commenters are going to the mat to defend this guy - and that somehow criticizing his election to the Academy Board constitutes &#039;blacklisting.&#039;  I&#039;ve never seen anything so idiotic in my life.  No one is denying Mr. Moore the right to work, or to say whatever he pleases.  But that doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s entitled to a seat on the Academy Board.  Such an opportunity is a &lt;em&gt;privilege&lt;/em&gt;.  One of my own instructors in documentary filmmaking at USC film school, for example, was Mark Harris - who also has won an Academy Award, for his film on the &lt;em&gt;Kindertransport&lt;/em&gt; during World War II.  Why shouldn&#039;t he be on the Board?  There are all kinds of legitimate people out there who they could&#039;ve selected instead of this divisive, ugly and talentless hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shinsnake, thank you for commenting, as always.  But I deny him <em>any talent whatsoever</em>.  The man is a hack who is propped up by the system due to his politics.  End of story.  I give him no credit at all, because I&#8217;m familiar with what great documentary filmmaking is, which &#8211; may I be frank? &#8211; 99% of the on-line &#8216;conservatives&#8217; opining on this matter seem to have no knowledge of, whatsoever.  Mr. Moore is purely and simply a product of our narcissistic celebrity culture, and has cleverly used the format of the documentary to propel his own career.  He&#8217;s not actually all that different from Kim Kardashian, frankly, except that instead of making a spectacle out of his body (thankfully) he makes a spectacle out of his radical politics.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in this subject, I recommend that aside from the documentaries I mention in the post above, you investigate the work of someone like Claude Jutra &#8211; or maybe even Arthur Lipsett or Jordan Belson.  What you&#8217;ll be exposed to in the work of these filmmakers is the genuine artistry that the documentary form can take when pushed to its limits. These guys had a huge influence on young Hollywood filmmakers coming up in the 1960s and 1970s.  You could even go way back and watch something like Frank Capra&#8217;s &#8220;Why We Fight&#8221; series, which isn&#8217;t about <em>Capra himself</em> &#8211; the way Moore would&#8217;ve done it.</p>
<p>Beyond all this, though, it puzzles me that certain conservative film commenters are going to the mat to defend this guy &#8211; and that somehow criticizing his election to the Academy Board constitutes &#8216;blacklisting.&#8217;  I&#8217;ve never seen anything so idiotic in my life.  No one is denying Mr. Moore the right to work, or to say whatever he pleases.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s entitled to a seat on the Academy Board.  Such an opportunity is a <em>privilege</em>.  One of my own instructors in documentary filmmaking at USC film school, for example, was Mark Harris &#8211; who also has won an Academy Award, for his film on the <em>Kindertransport</em> during World War II.  Why shouldn&#8217;t he be on the Board?  There are all kinds of legitimate people out there who they could&#8217;ve selected instead of this divisive, ugly and talentless hack.</p>
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		<title>By: shinsnake</title>
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		<dc:creator>shinsnake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you deny Moore&#039;s obvious talent? Of course he perverted the very idea of a documentary pretty much from his very first film. But how else could a man weave so many lies into film and form them into a narrative that sounds almost plausible if not with talent? Black magic? No one is giving him a pass for his propaganda and documentary-ish tactics, but you have to give him credit for being able to thrive in that genre despite not actually participating in that genre. Ben Stein&#039;s &quot;eXpelled&quot; couldn&#039;t match that, despite being cut from the same cloth except the opposite side. Perhaps you have less problem with conservatives who see Moore&#039;s talent and more with those people who classify Moore&#039;s films as documentaries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you deny Moore&#8217;s obvious talent? Of course he perverted the very idea of a documentary pretty much from his very first film. But how else could a man weave so many lies into film and form them into a narrative that sounds almost plausible if not with talent? Black magic? No one is giving him a pass for his propaganda and documentary-ish tactics, but you have to give him credit for being able to thrive in that genre despite not actually participating in that genre. Ben Stein&#8217;s &#8220;eXpelled&#8221; couldn&#8217;t match that, despite being cut from the same cloth except the opposite side. Perhaps you have less problem with conservatives who see Moore&#8217;s talent and more with those people who classify Moore&#8217;s films as documentaries?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Apuzzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Apuzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.</p>
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		<title>By: motionview</title>
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		<dc:creator>motionview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see Moore on the board, just in case anyone had any question about what was really important to AAMPAS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see Moore on the board, just in case anyone had any question about what was really important to AAMPAS.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Apuzzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Apuzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to say more about all this, but ... isn&#039;t the picture of Bar Refaeli lovely?  Really lovely.

http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/hollywood-round-up-78/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to say more about all this, but &#8230; isn&#8217;t the picture of Bar Refaeli lovely?  Really lovely.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/hollywood-round-up-78/" rel="nofollow">http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/hollywood-round-up-78/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Apuzzo</title>
		<link>http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/libertas-in-the-la-times-moores-shoddy-legacy-in-documentary-film/comment-page-1/#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Apuzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, H.  Keep commenting here at LFM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, H.  Keep commenting here at LFM.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverySurfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverySurfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read Nolte&#039;s post over at Big Hollywood. I guess his point is that you&#039;re &quot;blacklisting&quot; Moore by simply opposing his election to the Academy Board. I think that&#039;s a little over the top.  It&#039;s also ironic because of who really has the power to blacklist in Hollywood. It certainly isn&#039;t conservatives.

While on this topic, I was really offended by what Moore did to Charlton Heston in &quot;Bowling for Columbine.&quot; He basically reedited Heston&#039;s words, and set them out of context, in order to score a political point.  I really don&#039;t see why Big Hollywood wants to defend this guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read Nolte&#8217;s post over at Big Hollywood. I guess his point is that you&#8217;re &#8220;blacklisting&#8221; Moore by simply opposing his election to the Academy Board. I think that&#8217;s a little over the top.  It&#8217;s also ironic because of who really has the power to blacklist in Hollywood. It certainly isn&#8217;t conservatives.</p>
<p>While on this topic, I was really offended by what Moore did to Charlton Heston in &#8220;Bowling for Columbine.&#8221; He basically reedited Heston&#8217;s words, and set them out of context, in order to score a political point.  I really don&#8217;t see why Big Hollywood wants to defend this guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Apuzzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Apuzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody important.</p>
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