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		<title>By: Govindini Murty</title>
		<link>http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/review-sex-in-the-city-2-satirizes-islams-treatment-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Govindini Murty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hala - does this mean you&#039;re from Saudi Arabia?  It&#039;s quite incorrect to state that Saudi women being unable to travel without the permission of a male relative is somehow equivalent to American women not being allowed to take their children outside of the country without the children&#039;s father&#039;s permission.  American women are free to travel in any way they want, and at any time they want.  An American man would not be able to take his children without the written permission of the children&#039;s mother either - and that is because there are minors involved (the children) who cannot be taken out of the country without both parent&#039;s permission.  I believe that this is the law in most Western countries.  This has nothing to do with American women&#039;s freedom to travel.  Any American woman can travel on her own at any time and in any way she wants.  As for the rest of the points you make, it is interesting to hear your perspective, though I would disagree with many of them.  How can you say it&#039;s not a good thing to be able to drive your own car?  However, if your culture makes you genuinely happy, and you are willing to return to that way of life, then I wish you well.  I hope you will have the freedom to return to America again in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hala &#8211; does this mean you&#8217;re from Saudi Arabia?  It&#8217;s quite incorrect to state that Saudi women being unable to travel without the permission of a male relative is somehow equivalent to American women not being allowed to take their children outside of the country without the children&#8217;s father&#8217;s permission.  American women are free to travel in any way they want, and at any time they want.  An American man would not be able to take his children without the written permission of the children&#8217;s mother either &#8211; and that is because there are minors involved (the children) who cannot be taken out of the country without both parent&#8217;s permission.  I believe that this is the law in most Western countries.  This has nothing to do with American women&#8217;s freedom to travel.  Any American woman can travel on her own at any time and in any way she wants.  As for the rest of the points you make, it is interesting to hear your perspective, though I would disagree with many of them.  How can you say it&#8217;s not a good thing to be able to drive your own car?  However, if your culture makes you genuinely happy, and you are willing to return to that way of life, then I wish you well.  I hope you will have the freedom to return to America again in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Govindini Murty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Govindini Murty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa - thanks for your comment.  What few people realize is that Middle-Eastern women, especially those who are more affluent, do indeed buy a great deal of Western fashion and wear it under their burqas.  Now I grant you that it was somewhat unrealistic that a group of women who would be passing through the marketplace would have such expensive clothing on underneath, but it is a well-established fact that the best customers of the New York, Paris, and Milan high fashion houses are indeed Muslim women from the Middle East.  

Muslim women wear these fancy Western clothes for each other in private parties, since they can&#039;t openly wear them on the street.  It&#039;s an interesting subject that I may write a blog post about, since I don&#039;t think many American women are aware of this.  I think the filmmakers of &quot;Sex and the City 2&quot; were trying to allude to this in the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa &#8211; thanks for your comment.  What few people realize is that Middle-Eastern women, especially those who are more affluent, do indeed buy a great deal of Western fashion and wear it under their burqas.  Now I grant you that it was somewhat unrealistic that a group of women who would be passing through the marketplace would have such expensive clothing on underneath, but it is a well-established fact that the best customers of the New York, Paris, and Milan high fashion houses are indeed Muslim women from the Middle East.  </p>
<p>Muslim women wear these fancy Western clothes for each other in private parties, since they can&#8217;t openly wear them on the street.  It&#8217;s an interesting subject that I may write a blog post about, since I don&#8217;t think many American women are aware of this.  I think the filmmakers of &#8220;Sex and the City 2&#8243; were trying to allude to this in the film.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 06:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to see the movie with a friend of mine that loves the series (so I don&#039;t know too much about it).  Overall I thought it was good. I liked all of the woman-oriented problems: that Charlotte was exhausted by her children, Carrie was trying to understand what marriage was, Miranda couldn&#039;t get ahead at her job, and Samantha was trying to express sexual freedom.
I&#039;ll admit that the movie actally taught me a few things. I had no idea that “burqinis” were real! I thought it was a joke, but apparently it isn&#039;t.
While I also found Samantha&#039;s behavior unrealistic in that situation, I didn&#039;t find it offensive - just provoking.

The only part that I found somewhat offensive, is a scene that no one seems to be discussing.  When the foursome are pulled into the flower shop by the group of muslim women, who are revealed to be wildly interested in New York and it&#039;s fashion! I had two problems with this:
- I thought it was totally conceded of the writers to think that New York is so wonderful that everyone wants to be like them.
- And I thought it kind of made light of muslim women&#039;s oppression. &#039;Yeah, they have to wear burqas, but they can have anything on underneath them!&#039; Nevermind that with the censorship in the middle east they may have never even seen New York fashion, or have the money to buy it (I don&#039;t believe women have access to their husbands&#039; money to buy clothes that cost thousands of dollars), or that they would want to wear so many layers in that extreme heat.

It just seemed ridiculous to me. I understand that the writers were trying to show that a new generation is frustrated with the tradition are are trying to change things, but they could&#039;ve done it in a better way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to see the movie with a friend of mine that loves the series (so I don&#8217;t know too much about it).  Overall I thought it was good. I liked all of the woman-oriented problems: that Charlotte was exhausted by her children, Carrie was trying to understand what marriage was, Miranda couldn&#8217;t get ahead at her job, and Samantha was trying to express sexual freedom.<br />
I&#8217;ll admit that the movie actally taught me a few things. I had no idea that “burqinis” were real! I thought it was a joke, but apparently it isn&#8217;t.<br />
While I also found Samantha&#8217;s behavior unrealistic in that situation, I didn&#8217;t find it offensive &#8211; just provoking.</p>
<p>The only part that I found somewhat offensive, is a scene that no one seems to be discussing.  When the foursome are pulled into the flower shop by the group of muslim women, who are revealed to be wildly interested in New York and it&#8217;s fashion! I had two problems with this:<br />
- I thought it was totally conceded of the writers to think that New York is so wonderful that everyone wants to be like them.<br />
- And I thought it kind of made light of muslim women&#8217;s oppression. &#8216;Yeah, they have to wear burqas, but they can have anything on underneath them!&#8217; Nevermind that with the censorship in the middle east they may have never even seen New York fashion, or have the money to buy it (I don&#8217;t believe women have access to their husbands&#8217; money to buy clothes that cost thousands of dollars), or that they would want to wear so many layers in that extreme heat.</p>
<p>It just seemed ridiculous to me. I understand that the writers were trying to show that a new generation is frustrated with the tradition are are trying to change things, but they could&#8217;ve done it in a better way.</p>
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		<title>By: Govindini Murty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Govindini Murty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 19:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello &quot;Feminazi&quot; - calling me names does not take the place of dealing seriously with any of the ideas I&#039;ve brought up.  Is name calling and refusing to debate issues what they teach you in Women&#039;s Studies courses?  What a shame.  You haven&#039;t even responded to my question of what artworks and films you actually like - thus proving my point that you are most likely just a political ideologue.   

Why don&#039;t you put down your Luce Irigaray or your Julia Kristeva or whatever dour feminist tract you&#039;re reading, and go out and enjoy the sunshine and the real world?  You&#039;ll find the real world does indeed have rainbows and butterflies - if you are willing to let them in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello &#8220;Feminazi&#8221; &#8211; calling me names does not take the place of dealing seriously with any of the ideas I&#8217;ve brought up.  Is name calling and refusing to debate issues what they teach you in Women&#8217;s Studies courses?  What a shame.  You haven&#8217;t even responded to my question of what artworks and films you actually like &#8211; thus proving my point that you are most likely just a political ideologue.   </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you put down your Luce Irigaray or your Julia Kristeva or whatever dour feminist tract you&#8217;re reading, and go out and enjoy the sunshine and the real world?  You&#8217;ll find the real world does indeed have rainbows and butterflies &#8211; if you are willing to let them in.</p>
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		<title>By: Hala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 00:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For your information, I was born and raised in the most criticized country of them all, and plan to return there very soon. In what you may view as my limited circle of family, friends and acquaintances, the large majority of women (including myself) are physicians, or otherwise highly educated women. Stonings are not essentially legal, although you might hear of them happening, they are very much frowned upon. Honor killings as well, and perpetrators of these crimes are punished. With regards to covering up, there are definite lines between what religion tells us to do and what tradition dictates, and sadly in many Islamic societies these lines are blurred. Having said that, many, many Islamic societies including my own are loosening up, and while I cannot speak for what happens in Malaysia or Afghanistan I can assure you the in my city we have adapted to our religious beliefs and hardly have issues with heat strokes or other related problems. Another couple of things I would like to point out are that Muslim women, wherever they live, if they choose to follow their religion properly will wear headscarves and cover their arms and legs, and the other thing is...driving cars is not the privilege it is made out to be, as driving a car means being responsible for said car, for it&#039;s cleanliness, gas, maintenance, not mention having to park it and walk the rest of the way...having tried driving, I am ready to give it up and have someone else worry about all that. As for freedom...to do what?Get an education?Done, work...done, go shopping, done...social occasions, done...where is the repression, exactly??
Travelling...I don&#039;t know if you have children; you did not list this point in your reply above, but to travel outside a certain North American country with your children you need written consent from their father stating his knowledge of the travel. Why is this, I wonder?It is for the children&#039;s protection, correct?Well, it is the same for Saudi women and girls...
Iran is a different society altogether and I prefer not to discuss is. And no, I haven&#039;t seen &quot;the Stoning of Soraya&quot;, but my only comment is it is one story, and not necessarily representative of the whole.
As for your comment below to Trajan, while it might an element of truth, portraying Arab/Muslim men as drunkards, gamblers and womanizers in movies, not to mention every Arabic speaking character in a movie turns out to be a terrorist, was never brought up as an issue as far as I noticed.
Regardless, we will agree to disagree about our respective societies and cultures, and while I admit that mine is far from perfect, I do not necessarily see that you &quot;free&quot; and &quot;liberated&quot; society is either.
Thanks,
Hala</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For your information, I was born and raised in the most criticized country of them all, and plan to return there very soon. In what you may view as my limited circle of family, friends and acquaintances, the large majority of women (including myself) are physicians, or otherwise highly educated women. Stonings are not essentially legal, although you might hear of them happening, they are very much frowned upon. Honor killings as well, and perpetrators of these crimes are punished. With regards to covering up, there are definite lines between what religion tells us to do and what tradition dictates, and sadly in many Islamic societies these lines are blurred. Having said that, many, many Islamic societies including my own are loosening up, and while I cannot speak for what happens in Malaysia or Afghanistan I can assure you the in my city we have adapted to our religious beliefs and hardly have issues with heat strokes or other related problems. Another couple of things I would like to point out are that Muslim women, wherever they live, if they choose to follow their religion properly will wear headscarves and cover their arms and legs, and the other thing is&#8230;driving cars is not the privilege it is made out to be, as driving a car means being responsible for said car, for it&#8217;s cleanliness, gas, maintenance, not mention having to park it and walk the rest of the way&#8230;having tried driving, I am ready to give it up and have someone else worry about all that. As for freedom&#8230;to do what?Get an education?Done, work&#8230;done, go shopping, done&#8230;social occasions, done&#8230;where is the repression, exactly??<br />
Travelling&#8230;I don&#8217;t know if you have children; you did not list this point in your reply above, but to travel outside a certain North American country with your children you need written consent from their father stating his knowledge of the travel. Why is this, I wonder?It is for the children&#8217;s protection, correct?Well, it is the same for Saudi women and girls&#8230;<br />
Iran is a different society altogether and I prefer not to discuss is. And no, I haven&#8217;t seen &#8220;the Stoning of Soraya&#8221;, but my only comment is it is one story, and not necessarily representative of the whole.<br />
As for your comment below to Trajan, while it might an element of truth, portraying Arab/Muslim men as drunkards, gamblers and womanizers in movies, not to mention every Arabic speaking character in a movie turns out to be a terrorist, was never brought up as an issue as far as I noticed.<br />
Regardless, we will agree to disagree about our respective societies and cultures, and while I admit that mine is far from perfect, I do not necessarily see that you &#8220;free&#8221; and &#8220;liberated&#8221; society is either.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Hala</p>
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		<title>By: "Feminazi"</title>
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		<dc:creator>"Feminazi"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 03:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make ridiculous absolute statements. Typical reactionary. You are living in a fantasy land made up of rainbows an butterflies. Why don&#039;t you get back to me when you have taken a women&#039;s studies course or two. Then maybe your work would actually be taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make ridiculous absolute statements. Typical reactionary. You are living in a fantasy land made up of rainbows an butterflies. Why don&#8217;t you get back to me when you have taken a women&#8217;s studies course or two. Then maybe your work would actually be taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Govindini Murty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Govindini Murty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 20:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful response, Trajan.  You bring up a valid point.  Yes, that would have been a great set-up to have Samantha fall for a local religiously-strict Islamic man - in fact I sort of thought that&#039;s where the movie was headed while I was watching it.  It would have allowed the clash of cultures to play out on a more poignant, personal level.

However, the writers/producers may have felt that would offend Muslim men too much if one was shown being involved with a sexually-aggressive Western woman, and that&#039;s why they actually took the somewhat safer route of just having her romance other Western men in the film.  From what I&#039;ve seen in my travels, Islamic men are already suspicious of Western women coming on to them and &quot;corrupting&quot; them, and so the producers of the film may not have wanted to go there.

Anyway, it must have been fascinating to live in Morocco for two years.  I look forward to traveling there myself some day.  Thanks for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful response, Trajan.  You bring up a valid point.  Yes, that would have been a great set-up to have Samantha fall for a local religiously-strict Islamic man &#8211; in fact I sort of thought that&#8217;s where the movie was headed while I was watching it.  It would have allowed the clash of cultures to play out on a more poignant, personal level.</p>
<p>However, the writers/producers may have felt that would offend Muslim men too much if one was shown being involved with a sexually-aggressive Western woman, and that&#8217;s why they actually took the somewhat safer route of just having her romance other Western men in the film.  From what I&#8217;ve seen in my travels, Islamic men are already suspicious of Western women coming on to them and &#8220;corrupting&#8221; them, and so the producers of the film may not have wanted to go there.</p>
<p>Anyway, it must have been fascinating to live in Morocco for two years.  I look forward to traveling there myself some day.  Thanks for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: trajan</title>
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		<dc:creator>trajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 19:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My objection to &quot;Samantha&#039;s&quot;  behavior in the Middle East is not political...it&#039;s artistic. Samantha is written as a 50-something, intelligent, successful businesswoman (in PR, no less). Given this, it&#039;s simply not believable that Samantha would behave on a business junket as she does in this movie. Yes, Samantha is outrageous, sexy, unfazed by other&#039;s opinions, but the series writers have never before had her carry on like a demented teenager. Even when she was going through cancer treatment, she did so with aplomb. The character&#039;s storyline was frankly embarrassing for me to watch, although the actress struggled valiantly to make the best of it. 

There are so many ways the writers could have preserved Samantha&#039;s believability while showcasing her irreverence and outrage...for example, she could have fallen hard for a local with strict ideas about women. THAT might have been a great set-up for conflict of cultures, personal conflict, etc. that would have given the character a bit more depth while keeping the audience intrigued. All in all, the writer(s) took the easy way out, and failed, IMHO.

(Full disclosure: I&#039;m a New Yorker who lived for 2 years in Morocco, loves SATC, and know exactly what menopause is. I hope to see &quot;my girlfriends&quot; back in believable form sometime in the future!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My objection to &#8220;Samantha&#8217;s&#8221;  behavior in the Middle East is not political&#8230;it&#8217;s artistic. Samantha is written as a 50-something, intelligent, successful businesswoman (in PR, no less). Given this, it&#8217;s simply not believable that Samantha would behave on a business junket as she does in this movie. Yes, Samantha is outrageous, sexy, unfazed by other&#8217;s opinions, but the series writers have never before had her carry on like a demented teenager. Even when she was going through cancer treatment, she did so with aplomb. The character&#8217;s storyline was frankly embarrassing for me to watch, although the actress struggled valiantly to make the best of it. </p>
<p>There are so many ways the writers could have preserved Samantha&#8217;s believability while showcasing her irreverence and outrage&#8230;for example, she could have fallen hard for a local with strict ideas about women. THAT might have been a great set-up for conflict of cultures, personal conflict, etc. that would have given the character a bit more depth while keeping the audience intrigued. All in all, the writer(s) took the easy way out, and failed, IMHO.</p>
<p>(Full disclosure: I&#8217;m a New Yorker who lived for 2 years in Morocco, loves SATC, and know exactly what menopause is. I hope to see &#8220;my girlfriends&#8221; back in believable form sometime in the future!)</p>
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		<title>By: Govindini Murty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Govindini Murty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 18:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello &quot;Feminazi&quot; - there is no hypocrisy in stating that women in Western societies have significantly more freedom and equality than women in the Middle East or Islamic societies where they often cannot even freely hold jobs, get educations, drive cars, or travel without a male relative.  To claim that our Western culture is equally oppressive as theirs or that &quot;patriarchy&quot; is as ingrained in our culture as theirs is to be completely out of touch with reality and the truth.  Western societies do not condone honor killings!  Western societies do not prosecute women for being raped, and let their assaulters go free.  Western societies do not cut off women&#039;s noses or throw acid in their face if a women goes to a beauty salon or dares to work outside of the home - as has happened in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and numerous other countries in the region.  There is an element of patriarchy and of objectification of women in Western society, but it is significantly less than in any other society in the world.  You claim everything is equivalent - that if there is any patriarchy at all in Western society - say even 10% - that it&#039;s morally equivalent to the 100% patriarchy in the Middle East.  

And to claim that &quot;objectifying women in the media&quot; - I guess here you&#039;re talking about women being featured in entertainment/fashion/beauty magazines - somehow contributes to sex crimes, is absolutely crazy.  Every single society in the world celebrates women&#039;s beauty, and has since the beginning of history!  So all art or media that features women as attractive leads to sex crimes?  Thus we&#039;re supposed to deny all attractiveness in women, ban all fashion, beauty, makeup, etc., so that men (who in your view are exclusively brutish and cannot control themselves apparently) won&#039;t be tempted to assault women?  Sorry &quot;Feminazi,&quot; but you&#039;re starting to sound like the Islamic radicals themselves here, who don&#039;t allow women to wear makeup and make women cover themselves from head to toe because otherwise the men claim they&#039;ll be sexually assaulted (and in their societies, ensure that this is literally the case in order to get women&#039;s compliance).  So your solution is to ban everything attractive or fashionable or beautiful that women enjoy and that makes women women?  Give me a break.  

&quot;Feminazi&quot; - have your ever traveled outside of the West?  I&#039;m really curious.  Have you ever been to Asia, Africa, or the Middle East?  If you had been and if you honestly observed what goes on in those societies, you would see that women are way more in the background, way more second-class citizens, way more objectified and required to be meek and submissive, than in any Western society.  It&#039;s just the objective truth.  

And yes, it is empowering to revere things like beauty and desirablity.  It&#039;s what art is all about!  I get the sense from you though that you&#039;re not interested in art at all, but only in ideology.  If all you care about is politics and ideology, then I guess aesthetic matters like beauty would really bother you.  And beauty, desirability, the celebration of the splendor of the visual world are entirely natural because they are related both to the natural human desire to survive and propagate the human race and the natural desire to celebrate the wonders of the world around us.  What&#039;s unnatural is anti-art ideologues such as yourself who are so angered by anything beautiful in nature - such as the beauty of women - that you want to suppress it.  

&quot;Feminazi&quot; - I guess the &quot;Mona Lisa,&quot; the Capitoline Venus, Botticelli&#039;s &quot;Birth of Venus,&quot; Rubens&#039; portrait of &quot;The Marchesa Brigida Spinola Doria,&quot; Ingres&#039; &quot;La Grande Odalisque,&quot; Sargent&#039;s &quot;Portrait of Madame X,&quot; and Lempicka&#039;s &quot;Self Portrait in a Bugatti&quot; must all drive you really crazy.  After all, they all celebrate women&#039;s beauty!  How oppressive!  They must lead to sex crimes!  And let&#039;s not even mention films starring beautiful women like Greta Garbo&#039;s &quot;Wild Orchids,&quot; Marlene Dietrich&#039;s &quot;Blonde Venus,&quot; Vivien Leigh&#039;s &quot;Gone with the Wind,&quot; Rita Hayworth&#039;s &quot;Gilda,&quot; or Elizabeth Taylor&#039;s &quot;Cleopatra&quot; - obviously all such films are equally culpable for sex crimes against women - at least according to your thinking - and must be censored too for the greater good.

&quot;Feminazi&quot; - please describe to me some movies and works of art that you actually like before I believe that you care about art at all and are not just a political ideologue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello &#8220;Feminazi&#8221; &#8211; there is no hypocrisy in stating that women in Western societies have significantly more freedom and equality than women in the Middle East or Islamic societies where they often cannot even freely hold jobs, get educations, drive cars, or travel without a male relative.  To claim that our Western culture is equally oppressive as theirs or that &#8220;patriarchy&#8221; is as ingrained in our culture as theirs is to be completely out of touch with reality and the truth.  Western societies do not condone honor killings!  Western societies do not prosecute women for being raped, and let their assaulters go free.  Western societies do not cut off women&#8217;s noses or throw acid in their face if a women goes to a beauty salon or dares to work outside of the home &#8211; as has happened in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and numerous other countries in the region.  There is an element of patriarchy and of objectification of women in Western society, but it is significantly less than in any other society in the world.  You claim everything is equivalent &#8211; that if there is any patriarchy at all in Western society &#8211; say even 10% &#8211; that it&#8217;s morally equivalent to the 100% patriarchy in the Middle East.  </p>
<p>And to claim that &#8220;objectifying women in the media&#8221; &#8211; I guess here you&#8217;re talking about women being featured in entertainment/fashion/beauty magazines &#8211; somehow contributes to sex crimes, is absolutely crazy.  Every single society in the world celebrates women&#8217;s beauty, and has since the beginning of history!  So all art or media that features women as attractive leads to sex crimes?  Thus we&#8217;re supposed to deny all attractiveness in women, ban all fashion, beauty, makeup, etc., so that men (who in your view are exclusively brutish and cannot control themselves apparently) won&#8217;t be tempted to assault women?  Sorry &#8220;Feminazi,&#8221; but you&#8217;re starting to sound like the Islamic radicals themselves here, who don&#8217;t allow women to wear makeup and make women cover themselves from head to toe because otherwise the men claim they&#8217;ll be sexually assaulted (and in their societies, ensure that this is literally the case in order to get women&#8217;s compliance).  So your solution is to ban everything attractive or fashionable or beautiful that women enjoy and that makes women women?  Give me a break.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Feminazi&#8221; &#8211; have your ever traveled outside of the West?  I&#8217;m really curious.  Have you ever been to Asia, Africa, or the Middle East?  If you had been and if you honestly observed what goes on in those societies, you would see that women are way more in the background, way more second-class citizens, way more objectified and required to be meek and submissive, than in any Western society.  It&#8217;s just the objective truth.  </p>
<p>And yes, it is empowering to revere things like beauty and desirablity.  It&#8217;s what art is all about!  I get the sense from you though that you&#8217;re not interested in art at all, but only in ideology.  If all you care about is politics and ideology, then I guess aesthetic matters like beauty would really bother you.  And beauty, desirability, the celebration of the splendor of the visual world are entirely natural because they are related both to the natural human desire to survive and propagate the human race and the natural desire to celebrate the wonders of the world around us.  What&#8217;s unnatural is anti-art ideologues such as yourself who are so angered by anything beautiful in nature &#8211; such as the beauty of women &#8211; that you want to suppress it.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Feminazi&#8221; &#8211; I guess the &#8220;Mona Lisa,&#8221; the Capitoline Venus, Botticelli&#8217;s &#8220;Birth of Venus,&#8221; Rubens&#8217; portrait of &#8220;The Marchesa Brigida Spinola Doria,&#8221; Ingres&#8217; &#8220;La Grande Odalisque,&#8221; Sargent&#8217;s &#8220;Portrait of Madame X,&#8221; and Lempicka&#8217;s &#8220;Self Portrait in a Bugatti&#8221; must all drive you really crazy.  After all, they all celebrate women&#8217;s beauty!  How oppressive!  They must lead to sex crimes!  And let&#8217;s not even mention films starring beautiful women like Greta Garbo&#8217;s &#8220;Wild Orchids,&#8221; Marlene Dietrich&#8217;s &#8220;Blonde Venus,&#8221; Vivien Leigh&#8217;s &#8220;Gone with the Wind,&#8221; Rita Hayworth&#8217;s &#8220;Gilda,&#8221; or Elizabeth Taylor&#8217;s &#8220;Cleopatra&#8221; &#8211; obviously all such films are equally culpable for sex crimes against women &#8211; at least according to your thinking &#8211; and must be censored too for the greater good.</p>
<p>&#8220;Feminazi&#8221; &#8211; please describe to me some movies and works of art that you actually like before I believe that you care about art at all and are not just a political ideologue.</p>
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		<description>Of course honor killings are not equivalent to the pressure to stay thin on the brutality meter. I was not making that &quot;patently absurd&quot; insinuation. And your right to critique was never called into question; I am strong a proponent of freedom of speech, thank you very much. 
The hypocrisy, however, cannot be denied. You can criticize a culture for their oppressive attitude toward women all you want, but that does not mean I have to ignore the irony of it all. The fact of the matter is, &quot;our&quot; culture and &quot;their&quot; culture are both very much ingrained in patriarchal values. In patriarchies, women will always come second. Period.
The &quot;freedom we hold so dear&quot; is unfortunately elusive even for us. Sexual assault and rape are still highly gendered problems that are very much prevalent in our society today. We are not just talking about pressure to look a certain way here; objectifying women in the media contributes to sex crimes every day. 
The biggest issue I have with your language is how placating it is: we are free, compared to those poor women there in that savage society yonder. How about being just as free and human as our male counterparts? How about turning women&#039;s rights into human rights? I hope I live to see the day...
Do explain to me how being revered for beauty and desirability is empowering? Or even natural?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course honor killings are not equivalent to the pressure to stay thin on the brutality meter. I was not making that &#8220;patently absurd&#8221; insinuation. And your right to critique was never called into question; I am strong a proponent of freedom of speech, thank you very much.<br />
The hypocrisy, however, cannot be denied. You can criticize a culture for their oppressive attitude toward women all you want, but that does not mean I have to ignore the irony of it all. The fact of the matter is, &#8220;our&#8221; culture and &#8220;their&#8221; culture are both very much ingrained in patriarchal values. In patriarchies, women will always come second. Period.<br />
The &#8220;freedom we hold so dear&#8221; is unfortunately elusive even for us. Sexual assault and rape are still highly gendered problems that are very much prevalent in our society today. We are not just talking about pressure to look a certain way here; objectifying women in the media contributes to sex crimes every day.<br />
The biggest issue I have with your language is how placating it is: we are free, compared to those poor women there in that savage society yonder. How about being just as free and human as our male counterparts? How about turning women&#8217;s rights into human rights? I hope I live to see the day&#8230;<br />
Do explain to me how being revered for beauty and desirability is empowering? Or even natural?</p>
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