Comments on: The Reputation of Classic Women’s Pictures: Gone with the wind? http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/ LFM: The Voice of Freedom in Movies & Pop Culture Thu, 02 Feb 2012 05:08:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Cristina http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1487 Cristina Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:07:55 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1487 I totally agree with the article, thank you for writing it, it was very good. I hate how the hollywood industry is treating female movie genre; and just look at all the Twillight issue. I had read the series before the film project was even conceived, and I loved the book, as it is based on many previous great romances, like Rhett and Scarlett's. But then it was labeled as a chick flick, when the movie came out, and that ruined everything. The critics couldn't even consider it as noticeable. I admit that the film is no chef-d'oeuvre, but still, there's so much prejudice out there, Thank God, this can't really happen with GTWT which is my favourite, because there'll always be people protecting its magic. Or at least while I live...! I totally agree with the article, thank you for writing it, it was very good.
I hate how the hollywood industry is treating female movie genre; and just look at all the Twillight issue.
I had read the series before the film project was even conceived, and I loved the book, as it is based on many previous great romances, like Rhett and Scarlett’s. But then it was labeled as a chick flick, when the movie came out, and that ruined everything. The critics couldn’t even consider it as noticeable. I admit that the film is no chef-d’oeuvre, but still, there’s so much prejudice out there,
Thank God, this can’t really happen with GTWT which is my favourite, because there’ll always be people protecting its magic. Or at least while I live…!

]]> By: M. Riva http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1313 M. Riva Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:16:40 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1313 The women in the films of classic Hollywood were not afraid to use their feminine mystique. They understood that the movies were about enchantment and irrational dreams. "Gone With the Wind" will always represent that magic to the millions who continue to enjoy it today. The women in the films of classic Hollywood were not afraid to use their feminine mystique. They understood that the movies were about enchantment and irrational dreams. “Gone With the Wind” will always represent that magic to the millions who continue to enjoy it today.

]]> By: kishke http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1178 kishke Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:27:43 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1178 Well, I was actually thinking of Shakespeare as a great role in a "girls" movie, but how about Possession - good movie, good role, definitely not a guys movie. Royal Tanenbaums - good role, good movie (for some). I've also seen her Duets, which was a trashy movie, although she did well enough in it, and in Sliding Doors, which was totally a girls film. Her only guys role that I can think of is Sky Captain (which I didn't see). Well, I was actually thinking of Shakespeare as a great role in a “girls” movie, but how about Possession – good movie, good role, definitely not a guys movie. Royal Tanenbaums – good role, good movie (for some). I’ve also seen her Duets, which was a trashy movie, although she did well enough in it, and in Sliding Doors, which was totally a girls film. Her only guys role that I can think of is Sky Captain (which I didn’t see).

]]> By: Jennifer Baldwin http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1163 Jennifer Baldwin Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:53:19 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1163 I like Paltrow and the character she plays in both Iron Man movies, but she's definitely playing a supporting role there. And as much as I love me some superheroes (seriously -- I collect comic books), that's a "guys" genre. Where is Paltrow in a "girls" movies? Where are the lead romantic comedy roles like the ones she had in "Shakespeare in Love" and "Emma"? Of course, I would say it's partly her fault for picking some bad projects after her success in "Shakespeare" ("Shallow Hal" anyone?), but it's also partly the fault of Hollywood writers and producers that there's not many quality projects out there for actresses to choose from. I like Paltrow and the character she plays in both Iron Man movies, but she’s definitely playing a supporting role there. And as much as I love me some superheroes (seriously — I collect comic books), that’s a “guys” genre. Where is Paltrow in a “girls” movies?

Where are the lead romantic comedy roles like the ones she had in “Shakespeare in Love” and “Emma”? Of course, I would say it’s partly her fault for picking some bad projects after her success in “Shakespeare” (“Shallow Hal” anyone?), but it’s also partly the fault of Hollywood writers and producers that there’s not many quality projects out there for actresses to choose from.

]]> By: Curtin/Dobbs http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1089 Curtin/Dobbs Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:14:46 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1089 Party Girl: This isn't a knock on Kidman, Paltrow or women actors in general, but on *any* group--conservative, liberal, religious, ethnic, whatever--that feels it's maltreated by Hollywood. With digital filmmaking,cgi, working @ union scale for profit points on the back end, etc.: MAKE YOUR OWN MOVIES & KEEP MAKING YOUR OWN MOVIES Hollywood will become irrelevant. Party Girl: This isn’t a knock on Kidman, Paltrow or women actors in general, but on *any* group–conservative, liberal, religious, ethnic, whatever–that feels it’s maltreated by Hollywood.
With digital filmmaking,cgi, working @ union scale for profit points on the back end, etc.:
MAKE YOUR OWN MOVIES
& KEEP MAKING YOUR OWN MOVIES
Hollywood will become irrelevant.

]]> By: Patricia http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1082 Patricia Wed, 14 Jul 2010 05:59:10 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1082 Great article, Jennifer. I think it's a variation on PC culture. GWTW is a great woman's movie, but it's about love. She doesn't act like a man. These ratings are influenced by ideology, let's face it! I once read a review of Memoirs of a Geisha, which I thought was good, where the writer said he really liked it but didn't feel he could give a good review to a movie that depicted a Japanese woman having a consensual (and caring and happy) affair with an American officer after WW II. These reviews destroyed the box office for that movie. Great article, Jennifer. I think it’s a variation on PC culture. GWTW is a great woman’s movie, but it’s about love. She doesn’t act like a man. These ratings are influenced by ideology, let’s face it!

I once read a review of Memoirs of a Geisha, which I thought was good, where the writer said he really liked it but didn’t feel he could give a good review to a movie that depicted a Japanese woman having a consensual (and caring and happy) affair with an American officer after WW II. These reviews destroyed the box office for that movie.

]]> By: kishke http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1079 kishke Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:03:45 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1079 Gwyneth Paltrow has had lots of good roles; she has nothing to complain about. And her character in Iron Man is a real girl. Gwyneth Paltrow has had lots of good roles; she has nothing to complain about. And her character in Iron Man is a real girl.

]]> By: Party Girl http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1078 Party Girl Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:54:58 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1078 Jennifer - I totally agree with everything you're saying. I've even heard Nicole Kidman and some other actresses (I think Gwyneth Paltrow as well) complain about the lack of good roles for women in Hollywood today. It's depressing because I would like to see more movies, but there's nothing I want to go to that appeals to me. I enjoyed "Sex and the City 2" because it had actresses in it who are more like the women I know, and because it addressed real women's issues. Aside from that, it's been pretty thin. Jennifer – I totally agree with everything you’re saying. I’ve even heard Nicole Kidman and some other actresses (I think Gwyneth Paltrow as well) complain about the lack of good roles for women in Hollywood today. It’s depressing because I would like to see more movies, but there’s nothing I want to go to that appeals to me. I enjoyed “Sex and the City 2″ because it had actresses in it who are more like the women I know, and because it addressed real women’s issues. Aside from that, it’s been pretty thin.

]]> By: kishke http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1074 kishke Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:19:56 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1074 Given your concerns, you might find interesting this post in which Robert Avrech nominates a romantic comedy as the greatest American movie ever made. http://www.seraphicpress.com/archives/2010/07/friday_flickers_6.php Given your concerns, you might find interesting this post in which Robert Avrech nominates a romantic comedy as the greatest American movie ever made.

http://www.seraphicpress.com/archives/2010/07/friday_flickers_6.php

]]> By: Jennifer Baldwin http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/the-reputation-of-classic-womens-pictures-gone-with-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-1069 Jennifer Baldwin Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:13:54 +0000 http://www.libertasfilmmagazine.com/?p=6517#comment-1069 Very well put, K. And "cutting edge" these days means hardcore graphic violence, cartoonish action sequences, scatological humor, depraved themes, nihilistic world views, and the same old tired liberal pieties. Everything GWTW is not, basically. I would even say that ALL older films tend to get devalued today because "old" equals "boring" in the eyes of our novelty obsessed culture. But, I also think women's films from the classic Hollywood era get devalued even more than the men's films from that same era. It's still pretty cool to like Cagney in a film like The Roaring Twenties or Bogie in High Sierra. Less cool to like Irene Dunne in I Remember Mama. Very well put, K. And “cutting edge” these days means hardcore graphic violence, cartoonish action sequences, scatological humor, depraved themes, nihilistic world views, and the same old tired liberal pieties. Everything GWTW is not, basically.

I would even say that ALL older films tend to get devalued today because “old” equals “boring” in the eyes of our novelty obsessed culture. But, I also think women’s films from the classic Hollywood era get devalued even more than the men’s films from that same era. It’s still pretty cool to like Cagney in a film like The Roaring Twenties or Bogie in High Sierra. Less cool to like Irene Dunne in I Remember Mama.

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